I
was warned by my husband a while back about radio host Brannon Howse
for several reasons. As someone who teaches at a seminary, one of his
concerns is Brannon's misuse of Scripture. The 'defense article'
recently posted at WVW is a prime example. Brannon dismisses criticism
by likening himself to the elder in Paul's instruction to Timothy: "Do
not admit a charge against an elder except on the evidence of two or
three witnesses." (1 Timothy 5:19) Over whom is Brannon Howse an
elder? He is not my elder. He is not your elder. The context of
Paul's writing to Timothy is that of the local church, referring to
those "elders who rule well" (verse 17). Over whom does Mr. Howse
believe he has a right to rule? Has he simply ordained himself, 'Elder
of Radio Land'??I find it ironic that in this piece, he bemoans his 'persecution' by a nutty conspiracy theorist who sent him e-mails claiming Brannon was a secret Jesuit and/or Mason due to the color of Brannon's tie and a fleur de lis on his lamp. (This same person or one of his ilk can be found in the comment section). Isn't it PRECISELY this kind of over-the-top conspiracy theories which was at the root of the recent blow-up with Christine Pack?
As I understand it, this flap between Pack, Howse and Chris Pinto (filmmaker and one of Brannon's ministry partners) really began with a simple photo. Christine's friend, respected and seminary degreed Christian apologist Marcia Montenegro posted a nighttime picture of the Washington Monument on her FB page. She was told by a commenter that in so doing, Marcia was serving Satan (or something along those lines). Understandably, Marcia took umbrage to the notion she was serving Satan. Apparently, she has run into this attitude many times in the past as she lives around the Wash D.C. area and frequently posts scenic pics of the city and it's monuments. The symbolism associated with the monuments are considered by some to originate with nefarious secret societies . A few posts followed by both Montenegro and Christine Pack on the proper place of conspiracy theories in Christian discourse. Some commenters brought up the name of filmmaker, Chris Pinto and his film, 'Riddles In Stone'. I have enjoyed some of Pinto's work and I didn't view the discussion thread as demeaning to him or his work. No one referred to him as a kooky conspiracy theorist. There were actually compliments paid to Pinto, though there were some criticisms that there are pitfalls to an over-emphasis on certain conspiracy theories and symbols. I found it to be a healthy discussion that actually deserves a wider hearing and further conversation. How do we accurately represent real history in a way that does not lead to fear mongering and/or spin off into speculative theories? Is it possible that Christians can obsess to the point they are better versed in supposed global networks (Bildebergs, Rothchilds, Illuminati, etc.) than they are in Scripture?
It's a shame that Chris Pinto did not join in the discussion (he indicates now that he was aware of it going on) for I'm sure that Christine Pack would have welcomed his input. I would have liked to have seen such a dialog take place, particularly in regard to our Christian witness. That seemed to be of particular concern to both Pack and Montenegro. I have been a Christian long enough to remember a host of faddish conspiracies that came and went. At one time, urban legend had it that Procter & Gamble were placing satanic symbols on all their products. What kind of credible witness was it to the world, when they watched well meaning, yet naive Christians checking their detergent boxes to make sure they weren't contributing to the devil's schemes? As I have heard Pinto encourage that we should always place our trust in Christ and should not be fearful, I think he would have enhanced the discussion. Incidentally, the commenters were comprised of both men and women. Hardly the gaggle of gossipy tale-bearing women as Brannon has tried to frame it.
Brannon is not interested in honest discourse on his program, website, or FB page. He is interested in a fan club. If you merely question a particular statement or teaching of one from his inner circle, you are 'attacking a Christian brother' and must be vanquished, either by deletion/blocking or ridicule on-air or online. Yet I have heard him rail in the most incoherent manner toward others and he calls it, 'calling out false teachers'. That is why his first reaction to Christine's thread is that she is 'attacking his ministry'.
Not every disagreement is 'an attack'. I have had disagreements with
Christine Pack myself. I think she is astute in many observations and
she is studied in her specific field of apologetics where the New Age is
concerned. She also appears to be committed to studying from the works
of the Reformers and great minds of the past. I do think she has some
gaps in her knowledge (as we all do) and she is sometimes prone to
conclusion jumping. But do you know what has happened at the times we
have disagreed? She and I have both 'manned up' so to speak and hashed
out our differences, using Scripture and reason as we both best
understand. It's nothing personal. She doesn't lament I am trying to 'tear
down her ministry'. We part ways on a friendly basis. That is what
God honoring people are supposed to do - we are to act like adults. We
should follow the example of Walter Martin when he described his
frequent public debates with Hal Lindsey. They would have heated,
vigorous debates over eschatology and then go out together afterward for
spaghetti. In contrast, we have the childish response of Brannon Howse, who resorted to name calling and ad hominem attacks. To claim that Christine is a bad wife, bad mother, and runs an ungodly household was quite beyond the pale and won him few points among his readers/listeners, both male and female. He impugned a homeschooling mom 'where she lived' and he did so viciously. But as Chris Pinto stated in his 8/19/13 podcast at NOTR, it is wrong to make accusations without proof. Does Brannon Howse have demonstrable evidence for his claims? Did he install a spy cam in the Pack family home? Did he hire a private investigator to follow the Pack children around? Are there photos that depict her kids running around with scissors, emaciated, shoeless, and playing in traffic? The person who could provide reliable testimony on such matters is Christine's own husband, who came to his wife's defense on Brannon's FB page. His comments which sought reconciliation with Howse were summarily deleted and blocked. At this point, Brannon has deleted so many comments (anyone who disagrees, even Scripture quotations) that his threads are now incomprehensible.
Brannon's latest gambit is that this whole issue is about nothing more
than 'female tale bearing' and women rejecting their God given roles. I
think astute observers recognize this as a red herring. (Defined by
Wikipedia as "a seemingly plausible, though ultimately irrelevant,
diversionary tactic"). And a diversionary tactic is indeed necessary
when the alternative is defending the credibility of William
Schnoebelen, someone who appeared in Pinto's films, a man who claims he
was once a VAMPIRE with retractable fangs! A man who describes in
ghoulish fashion in several hours of videotaped interview , how these
fangs emerged when aroused and that his saliva secreted cocaine as a
numbing agent for his victims when he sucked their blood. And it gets
worse, but I won't elaborate here. William Schnoebelen may well be a genuine Christian but his fanciful stories indicate a troubled pathos and a misunderstanding of Scripture. Jesus told his disciples before his ascension, "All authority in heaven and on earth has been given to me." (Matt 28:18) Jesus has ALL authority. That means Satan does not have the authority to turn people into biological vampires or shape shifters/werewolves - another of Schnoebelen's claims.
When Christine posted that interview, the question of credibility was firmly established. This was the point where I felt that Howse wasn't doing Chris Pinto any favors. Howse decided to really go after Christine, malign her character in the worst possible ways and back her into a corner. What did he think she was going to do? Just roll over? His vicious insults insinuated that she was just 'gossiping and murmuring'. Remember what this whole issue was originally about - conspiracy theories and the radical fringe. She counters that she is not gossiping at all but that she has legitimate concerns. What better way to prove her point than to produce in living youtube color, a Christian ex-Vampire who used to be a card carrying member of the Illuminati?
At this point, I didn't think Chris Pinto's reputation was particularly harmed. This isn't the first time a source has later proved to be rather questionable. It happens all the time. No one would have batted an eye if Pinto said simply, "You know, at the time of the interview, my sources said the guy checked out. If I knew then what I know now, I would have reconsidered using his testimony."
That would have been it. I wouldn't have thought any less of Pinto; in fact I would have appreciated the honesty. Unfortunately, Brannon influenced Pinto to follow his lead and continue to bash Christine with the 'feminine tale bearer' narrative/red herring in his Open Letter to Christine Pack as well as his NOTR podcast of 8/19. He (along with Brannon who posted and affirmed Chris' Open Letter) also chose to double down in defense of Schnoebelen. The problem is, no one cares if so and so vouched for Schnoebelen at a conference years ago, worked in the same ministry office, or endorsed his book. I can listen to the man's testimony myself and arrive at my own conclusions.
Now Howse is backpedaling in his support of Schnoebelen. He belatedly realized that putting himself in the awkward position of defending a supposedly reformed Vampire is not exactly a brilliant public relations strategy. He deleted his own comments of affirmation of Schnoebelen from his own FB page. He now proclaims he never even heard of the guy until last week. Undoubtedly true, but herein illustrates one of the dangers of Howse - his tendency to launch off on some campaign or tirade about a person or situation of which he knows nothing!
Howse still endorses Pinto's Open Letter which itself contains some curiosities. Nowhere does Pinto address the centerpiece of the whole controversy as pertaining to Schnoebelen, which is the morbid, fantastical, hours long video testimony by the man himself. That is the crux of the matter and Pinto doesn't go near it. The closest he comes is mentioning "Bill’s book in which he confronts the cultural fascination with vampirism." No, the gripe wasn't about Bill commenting upon the culture of vampires in some anthropological sense. We're not talking, Dian Fossey studying the gorillas in the mist. A closer parallel to Schnoebelen would be a person who believed he had once been an actual gorilla.
Instead, Pinto chose to focus on an article on Schnoebelen that Pack referenced which came from a pro-Mormon website. That apparently was enough to cast Pack as someone who was in league with Joseph Smith. But if Pinto wants to maintain that a tainted source cannot yield any accurate information, doesn't that throw his own position into jeapordy? He posits that a man who claims to have had real, honest to goodness, retractable fangs and who claims the existence of real, honest to goodness, shape shifters - aka WEREWOLVES is nevertheless a plentiful source of accurate information on other matters, namely subjects for which Pinto interviewed him for his documentaries. Pinto might very well be right about that, but he can't have it both ways. He can't cry foul about Pack's use of a biased or shaky source without discrediting his own. I for one would be dubious about extracting useful information from an ex Vampire on anything related to his ex Vampire days - that is, anything related to the occult or to the spiritual realm. On the other hand, I suppose I could employ an ex Vampire to mow my lawn or perhaps do my taxes. But I would keep a sharp eye.
As
an observer, it seems to me that several different factors contributed
to create a 'perfect storm' leading to this public fracas. Several
weeks ago, a public debate was announced between Dr. James White and
Chris Pinto regarding Biblical
manuscript authenticity. I have benefited from some of
Dr. White's teaching over the years and more recently, I have
appreciated Pinto's work as well. That's why I fail to understand the
hostility which
erupted on the internet, following the announcement. People started
'choosing sides' and hurling insults. This was strange in that both men
appear to be devout and fairly close theologically. Still,
people started rooting for 'their guy' as if this were some grand
competition. I'm not sure if the 'Team Chris' and 'Team James' t-shirts
had gone to press yet, but they surely couldn't have been far behind as
both men and women online behaved more like teen girls on their way to a
'Twilight' movie, rather than sober Christians. Apparently, Paul's
admonishment in 1 Corinthians 3:3-4 was forgotten: "For while there is
jealousy and strife among you, are you not of the flesh and behaving
only in a human way? For when one says, "I follow Paul," and another,
"I follow Apollos," are you not being merely human?" Perhaps it was because of this already hostile backdrop, that Montenegro's unrelated post - an innocent tourist picture of the Washington Monument, ultimately created such waves. Perhaps that is why an online conversation about the proper place of conspiracy theories and the Christian witness, prompted a select group of women to go running to Brannon Howse with tales of one of his ministry partners being slandered. If there is a charge to be made in this whole sordid spectacle of 'busybodies going about from house to Howse', it seems that the charge should be leveled there.
I am hopeful that Chris Pinto, who seems to be a gracious man, will reconsider his rhetoric and his tone. When you think about it, it's rather silly. A group of men and women have an online discussion about a broad subject at which time the merits of a particular film is raised. The filmmaker reacts by calling one of the women a 'tale bearer', a 'discredited fraud' and practically in cahoots with antichrist? Doesn't this seem to be a wee bit over the top?
As for Brannon Howse, the seas have been churning at WVW for a while, leading to this kind of perfect storm. Howse confuses 'protecting his brand' with 'protecting gospel truth'. The two are not one and the same and any man who assumes such a thing is in a dangerous position. It leads to inflated egos and little regard for others whom he slashes and burns. Nowhere was this on display more than the two day rant he went on this past spring against Dr. Russell Moore, former dean of Southern Seminary and now President of the ERLC. At the instigation of Randy White (a Texas Baptist pastor who esteems himself a 'prophecy expert'), both White and Howse went on a veritable witch hunt, charging Moore with being a dominionist/reconstructionist/communitarian. It was clear Brannon was not familiar with Moore's long record of faithful gospel preaching and sound theological teaching. He took Randy's word, which consisted of nothing more than a few lines wrenched out of context from a paper Moore wrote on the kingdom of God, and concluded Moore was an NAR (New Apostolic Reformation) proponent 'in a suit'.
My husband and I were appalled by the misrepresentations which took on the nature of a free-for-all. Randy White claimed to have a direct link between Moore and some of the liberal leanings coming out of Fuller Seminary. His proof? He cited the fact that Russell Moore is a great admirer of Andrew Fuller. What Howse and White fail to understand is that Andrew Fuller was a Baptist minister, theologian and missionary who was born in the middle of the eighteenth century and had NOTHING to do with Fuller Seminary! It was Charles Fuller who began Fuller Seminary in 1947 as a way of combatting neo-orthodoxy. Talk about not doing your homework!
Of all the slander spewed, the worst had to be the suggestion that Dr. Moore's decision to adopt his two sons arose from a warped eschatology. This was a particularly distasteful charge. Further, a scant amount of research would have revealed that Dr. and Mrs. Moore's decision came about, initially, because of infertility. Since that time, God has gifted Moore as an articulate spokesman on the Biblical view of adoption.
Whether Howse has done sufficient damage control in this latest matter with Pack and Pinto, remains to be seen. Howse has mentioned the fact that he has heard from so many women and my husband observed why that is not surprising. When men become fed up with something, they just move on. They don't write letters, they don't make phone calls. I think it is very likely that many men who were aware of how this recent issue unfolded, simply checked the boxes - ad hominem attack, red herring, giving credibility to Vampires (yikes!), bullying, 'tale bearing' hypocrisy...and they have officially moved on.
Brannon will no doubt be tempted to strike out against me for writing this. He is a 'fighter' and that's what he does, but he needn't bother. I have no empire to maintain. No Situation Room coffers to keep filled. I'm just a simple, stay at home mom with six children who is heeding her husband's advice to stay away from Howse and his influence. There is far more edifying listening material available for those who seek to grow in spiritual truth.
32 comments:
Sane recap of an ugly situation - ugly in that men would demonize a commentator just because it is coming from a woman. Had the same things been said by a man, we would have seen a more reasoned response. Bullies always pick on the weaker ones.
I seen the comments. She was never attacking. It seems a few were behind the scenes fueling the cauldron. As for Brannon's behavior. This is not unusual. Research what he done to Ingrid. Everyone of my comments were removed from his wall and the WWW website.
http://www.purposedrivel.com/2011/10/brannon-explains-why-he-removed-ingrids.html
My husband and I quit listening to WVW over a year ago for the reasons you posted; arrogance fueled by ignorance is just a real bad combination. I am not seeking to be just flipant when I suggest that Brannon seek a mental health professional if pastoral counseling fails to help.
Excellent analysis of the situation. I have become disenchanted with Brannon Howse and his crew over the years. I have noticed that they are very anti-women having an opinion that disagrees with them, instead of taking into consideration what the facts and scriptures state when presented. As a bible teacher, too many times I have to advise (mostly male) Christians that we know the existence about these nefarious groups, call them what you want - Mason, Illuminati, NWOs, etc. But to make it a full-time obsession and then ignore or study very little of the scriptures is mind-boggling, to say the least. For our purpose in life is to know God and to make Him known.
Thank you for posting this.
Three words...follow the money.
Not to mention all the stuff he has done to Jan Markell and her ministry as well. Being a female broadcaster myself, doing a show 5 days a week, and one that is just as good, if not better than Howses' show. If people knew the stuff I know about that situation, most sane people would never support him.
Susan Stilley is my hero (heroine?) today. Insight and humor, who could ask for more. Thank you for your analysis and wisdom. Many good comments, as well.
Stacy Harp speaks the truth. Bless you, Stacy, for speaking for me. I could fill volumes when it comes to the intentional wreckage of my ministry by some jealous men. As to Schnoebelen, I worked with him and find him sincere but sincerely delusional in his imagination. No human has the power he claims including to become invisible. But he's done fantastic work in exposing Harry Potter. -- Jan Markell
I guess I have arrived, now also being accused of "spreading tales" by another poster on Howse's FB. Apparently that is what a "discussion" is now called by the Worldviewites.
And I'm not even a "weak women, burdened with sins and led astray by various passions..."
Excellent summary. I am appalled, but not surprised. As you indicated, I have had my differences with Christine and most of them were out of frustration because she trusted these guys when they were turning on their friends in exactly this manner, in order to preserve their empires.
This is just, seriously, terrible. These guys just lose their mind if a woman questions them. It's a big sexist good old boys' network. Women need not apply unless they're just going to do the grunt work for the men for an occasional pat on the head. He turned on his long time friend who he had used for years to do hours and hours of research for him at all hours, cutting into her family time, and quietly DELETED all her 20 years of writing without giving her copies of it. She found out through someone else who was trying to access an article she had written, and when she asked him about it he at first refused to answer until a ton of people started to question. Then he issued some public lame excuse about her being upset with him for some reason (not true, because the last words they had exchanged were kind words of apology and reconciliation, which apparently he must have lied about at the time) and how he just didn't want to be involved in that situation anymore. Started deleting comments, kicking people off his facebook wall, etc. Same M.O. just even more blatant this time. He can never be wrong. And he wonders why he is losing share. Have you ever noticed how few people he has on his show anymore? And often I've noticed (when I listen, which is rarely anymore) his interview style is much of him talking and the guest answering in the affirmative to "don't you agree?"
The discernment blogosphere has been disintegrating for quite some time, and Brannon is not the only one who hauls out the 'gossipping women' card any time a real issue is brought up and a woman happens to blog about it. (cough cough Phil Johnson cough cough) If a man blogs about it, they just ignore him and chalk it up to honest differences of opinion.
Are they really that insecure about women?
Hey, also notice that Brannon pulled Christine's profile off of WVW website.
http://worldviewweekend.com/profile/christine-pack
(you will see that WAS a valid URL if you google Christine Pack Brannon Howse but now is 404 not found)
Kind of sounds like this old story (same general M.O.)
http://www.purposedrivel.com/2011/09/where-did-ingrids-articles-go-brannon.html
He was her friend for 20 years, used her for researching stuff at all hours all the time, and tossed her to the side, AFTER an apology and reconciliation.
(and actually, Ingrid really had not much to apologize for, except being upset that Brannon had betrayed her trust.)
Great article. (Where is the "like" button? LOL!)
It encourages me very much to see so many people post thoughtful, truthful comments about what has been happening in discernment ministries at the hands of one dynasty.
There are so few of us who are doing this type of ministry, and the empire has given this type of research work a huge black eye.
The Brannondolatry that has fooled so many over the years continues, but I am hopeful that more people will see it for what it is and put a stop to this bloodsport.
--Amy
Thank you for your articulate, well balanced response to this situation. Brannon's credibility has been greatly in question as far as I am concerned for a few years now, I have actually been questioning some of his associations... this has just completely destroyed any thread of credibility he had left in my eyes.
I had not been aware of your blog till today, I'll be back again.
So many great and thoughtful posts. A pleasure to read righteous criticism. May we all learn!!
Thanks for writing this article. I have enjoyed many of Chris Pinto's podcasts and am also a great fan of Dr. James White. So when I heard about their upcoming debate, I was particularly excited. Maybe better light can be shed on the issue in dispute. Then White mentioned on his podcast about Pinto's open letter to Christine Pack and that sparked my curiosity so I looked it up. I could not believe how harsh Pinto was in berating Christine, being a woman, for daring to criticize him. I then wrote a comment expressing my displeasure. Tonight I find that the Pinto's open letter and all the comments have been deleted from WVW. I knew Brannon was a patriarchist, but I had expected better of soft-spoken Chris Pinto. I hope he apologizes to Christine and to all his Christian sisters.
I have been a fan of brannon for a few years now. There appears to be some valid criticisms in this article and some of these comments. I will certainly listen to him with more circumspection. It also seems that as wvw has grown the attacks against him have as well so perhaps hes not responding well to them because hes overwhelmed which wouldnt justify his behavior but would nevertheless be understandable. This whole ordeal seems to be very petty. I just hope we all learn and grow from it.
I've been following the whole debacle with some interest as a listener to and reader of all the parties for some years. The article above is an excellent down to earth summary of the issues at hand. I myself have been blocked from commenting on WVW and also called a "Jesuit" in the comment section of NOTradio for simply questioning a viewpoint. Empire building is tough work for these guys! As a woman who likes to comment and interact online I find that it is very useful to use a genderless id. It gets round the nuisance of being "hit on"(!) and also takes the sting out of querying a male commenter. I won't be listeneng to Brannon Howse anymore. His credibility has gone and mostly by his own hand.
This is what keeps frustrating me about "discernment" ministries. Just when I feel I am getting fed - ugliness breaks out. Some days I just want to throw up my hands at it all. Why do we as Christians not value the truth first?
After reading most of the information regarding the Howse/Pinto dispute with Christine Pack, I came to the conclusion that Howse and Pinto are in error. I do not personally know any of the individuals concerned and have no bias in the matter except truth and fairness. I posted my opinion on Howse’s site. It was immediately deleted, along with my follow up posts. If men have a problem with Christine Pack exposing William Schnoebelen, then maybe they should have done the job themselves. God will use whomever He pleases. I am grateful that Christine Pack had enough courage and devotion to truth that she would expose Pinto’s error in referencing Schnoebelen in his video.
I've been following this a bit and didn't totally understand what was going on. I will say a while back when Brannon was doing his show on Glenn Beck day after day after day, they were very informative at first, but then after a while it was like beating a dead horse. It got to a point where I stopped listening to his show because it was so repetitive. Then there was the issue with Jan Markel who I've enjoyed over the years. Knowing that Jan had Brannon fill in for her, which I'm sure gave him a bigger audience, and then hearing him rail against her, left a bad taste in my mouth and so for a while I didn't listen. After a bit I started looking at his web page again and then just listening to the shows that looked interesting to me. Since then there are times when I've listened to him and there is an arrogance about him at times that is a turn off, however he has had interesting guest so I've still listened from time to time. Then the other day Brannon did a show on Pastor Mark Biltz and his study on the blood moons. He referenced an article written on WND and then began basically ridiculing Pastor Biltz and WND. I won't go into the whole thing but he acted as if this article was just written. Well I googled the article and found it was written in 2008, which the date it was written was an important fact that should have stated. He then referred to Pastor Biltz as "This Guy or Some Guy Biltz". I don't know where I fall on Pastor Biltz's teaching on this however I've listened to his other messages and he is true to scripture. I thought to refer to a brother in Christ and a Pastor as some guy was extremely disrespectful. I think on this he has finally gone to far for me. I'm saddened that a brother in Christ feels that he needs to belittle other believers who do what we all do every day. When the world turns there backs, our bro's and sis's in Christ should be the ones we can go to for comfort and support. Thanks for this article. It made everything very clear and sealed the deal so to speak for me. I believe he owes Jan, Christine, Jackie and Pastor Biltz an apology. Even if he wants to disagree, we can be loving and still not agree. I'm friends with atheist who I totally disagree with, however I would not belittle like he has. We love because He first loved us. And if we don't have love then we just make a whole lot of noise.
By the way, the person claiming Brannon is a Jesuit because of the Fleur de Lis, I HAVE to believe is being facetious and pointing out that these symbols are EVERYWHERE and so we are all guilty of idolatry and being part of these secret societies (or imminent danger of being inducted) I guess!
http://fanaticforjesus.blogspot.com/2013/03/is-brannon-howse-jesuit.html
(I read that as a satirical post, actually...I could be wrong - she has some other articles exposing Beth Moore as well which are done seriously).
Not sure how that is any different than Pinto claiming Christine and others are upset over their exposing pagan gods, essentially calling Christine an unbelieving pagan idolater herself like those Diana-worshippers who raised the ruckus against Paul at Ephesus.
HOWEVER even if she isn't being satirical, her reasoning to me in the flour de lis article and the Star of David article is indistinguishable from what I hear on Pinto's programs with Brannon. So basically Brannon is endorsing such tenuous research with Pinto, but ridiculing it with this lady. Maybe it's because she doesn't have that y chromosome that makes people the arbiter of what constitutes sound doctrine.
Her other site seems very reasonable at least on first glance:
http://kindredspirits-sisters.blogspot.com
As far as someone stating their goal was to get Brannon to separate from Chris, I'd like to see the screen shot of that one. It's amazing how few screen shots Brannon has provided.
I seem to recall Brannon urging Wretched to separate from AFA and David Barton not too long ago when Barton's research methods and associations were called into question by Brannon. Hmmm.... Of course, no women were involved in that so Brannon publicly remained cordial with Mr Friel. I don't recall Brannon or DeYoung or anyone suggesting Friel was part of the conspiracy.
Only women deserve slander and browbeating and lies published about them I guess.
Ok correction on the Jesus fanatic website -- I think she really does think Brannon is a Mason. But I still stand by my assertion that her research and reasoning is as sound as Pinto's. She could very well be getting her information from Pinto and applying it to Brannon.
Now I'm curious whether Brannon decorates for Christmas. ;-)
I am new to Christian radio, blog news, etc. In my opinion, Howse reeks of egocentrism. I hope Justin Peters, who appears of Howse's website at times, does not continue association with Howse, because I really like Peters. I dislike Howse and do not trust him. That is my gut feeling. The emails Howse sent to Chris White are evidence enough, though there is plenty more.
On another front:
http://www.alankurschner.com/2013/08/30/chris-pintos-libel-against-me-and-brannon-howses-promotion-of-it-exposed/
I posted a comment to WVW in response to an article by Mike Gendron entitled, Maintaining Christian Unity. I was offended by the picture of a hissing cat at the top of the page and asked if that was supposed to represent Christian. I spoke in defense of her, asking that Brannon seek please seek reconcilation and put an end to the disunity he has created. My comment was deleted. Only comments favorable to Brannon are allowed. I will not longer visit his website.
Sorry...in the post above, I meant to say... I asked if the picture of the hissing cat was supposed to represent Christine.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jwuMO1FENn4&feature=em-uploademail
Just a reminder for all of us in the faith and love of Christ.
"Examine yourselves, whether ye be in the faith; prove your own selves. Know ye not your own selves, how that Jesus Christ is in you, except ye be reprobates?" (2 Cor 13:5).
"A new commandment I give to you, that you love one another, even as I have loved you, that you also love one another. By this all men will know that you are My disciples, if you have love for one another."
For the glory of our Lord Jesus Christ, for the sake of His Body, and as an example to the saved and lost, alike.
I, too, was deleted from Howse's FB when I asked if a bunch of women (I purposely did NOT call them "ladies") were the ones who brought Christine's FB posts to Howse's attention. The "women" spoke up and admitted to bringing the "news" to Howse but then in the same sentence, realized that while they had 1 finger pointing at Christine, they had 3 fingers pointing back at them. That's when one of the women made a comment demanding Howse to block me. The irony in all of this was that a bunch of women told on themselves and then asked if I was accusing them of "tale bearing"....in my day, we'd say, "If the shoe fits, wear it," but I didn't get the chance because Howse had me blocked. Btw, he did me a favor....like a few others, I had noticed an arrogance in his demeanor in radio interviews. One friend pointed out to me that he was answering most of the questions that he would pose to his guests. It appears as though his guests come on the radio show to affirm what "he" knows.
Step Aside
By Robert Winkler Burke
Book #3 of In That Day Teachings
10/7/08 www.inthatdayteachings.com
Once I watched a billionaire Christian TV preacher true,
Explain to all that “poor and humble” just won’t do,
I asked him, Was he not surely letting in pride?
He looked me in the eye and said, Step aside.
Then I watched the world’s most famous healing man,
Reach for a Five Star glamour life as much as he can,
I asked him, Wasn’t he taking donors for a ride?
He looked me in the eye and said, Step aside.
Then I saw a famous evangelist at his megalopolis event,
With almost every Christian sign conspicuously absent,
I asked him, This switch-bait tactic, you don’t deride?
He looked me in the eye and said, Step aside.
Then I saw the big family of the biggest Christian network,
Where entertainment was the king and truth had to lurk,
I asked them, Must in ways of the world you confide?
They looked me in the eye and said, Step aside.
Then I saw Christian ministries broadcasting by the dozen,
Each similarly compromised, almost like a witch coven,
I asked them, How can you in falseness have relied?
They looked me in the eye and said, Step aside.
Then I saw striving preachers in developing countries remote,
Where corruption has always had their sheep by the throat,
I asked them, These broadcasters, you see they have lied?
They looked me in the eye and said, Step aside.
Then I said, Woe is me, I am the Spirit of Truth defied,
Who believes in me truly? Who’ll stand by my side?
The remnant, God’s seers, whom to self have died,
Looked me in the eye and said, We abide.
Then I saw the great remnant rising up to stoically restore,
Me, the Spirit of Truth, back in God’s people once more,
I asked them, Against darkness how turn you the tide?
They looked Me in the eye and said, We abide.
Now, the answer to most problems is more maturity,
And with My Spirit of Truth lives calm surety,
Will you buy the easy Christian way cried?
Will you, like them, tell Me, Step aside?
For In That Day of great abiding when saints of Christ-in-You are in,
And We decide just who-in-Christ is without and who is within,
We will echo back to whom on earth to their God replied,
Step aside: STEP ASIDE. But to abide: ABIDE!
ok so then why are all these people who think Bill Scnobelen is a nut also seem to support Johanna Michaelsen like Amy Spreeman or Jan Markell, whom i believe had Michaelsen on their shows. I mean a man turning into a vampire and becoming invisible is just so abusrd and impossible but a woman getting possesed by an aztec spirit and then cutting people open without hurting them and removing tumours, or make black rocks materlize out of people's throats is super believe able???? really??? some of these radio hosts seem rather inconsistent with their dismissals of "ex-occultists"
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